2PM & Jay’s controversy: the hate, the rumors, the lies…
Sorry guys, I have totally been MIA and haven’t updated at all. Been pretty busy late breaking my behind trying to earn some money to pay back loans. No, not breaking my behind in that sense! You guys are so nasty! Always thinking of dirty things! I mean, come on! I would NEVER do that kind of stuff! Okay maybe if it was like $20, I’ll think about it. But I would NEVER do it for less than $20! Anyways, since this topic is pretty hot lately, I thought I might as well write a blog about it.
I’ll try to discuss things I think people are confused about, but I’ll probably forget to mention a lot of things, so feel free to remind me.
This whole issue with Jay is getting pretty crazy, I never expected to hear that he’s going to be gone for good. I mean I had no idea how he was going to come back after the first controversy, but I always had a feeling he would.
Anti-2PM movement makes no sense.
So there’s that whole anti-2PM movement going on. Well, if you know me, you’d know that I would never support any kind of “anti” activities. Well, I guess if I’m anti anything, it would be anti-getting my ass beat by my mom. I have yet to find anything positive about getting an ass beating. Anyway, back to the subject of 2PM. I really don’t know why there’s even an anti-2PM movement to begin with, especially from former fans. I mean I can see how fans could feel jaded, seeing the 2PM brotherhood that they admired so much gradually dissolve right in front of their eyes. I can understand that they feel disappointed, and want to defect from the 2PM fandom, but there’s no reason to turn toward hate. That achieves absolutely nothing. What do they hope to accomplish? To bring about 2PM’s death? Why would they want to destroy 2PM, and put it on Jay’s conscience that he has a part in the down fall of 2PM? Were they really fans of 2PM to begin with? How could they so easily switch from fans to antis? Moreover, a lot of this new found hate is a result of those leaked pictures and malicious rumors about 2PM’s personal lives. First of all, the pictures are said to be released by fans, who prior to this incident, did not release the pictures in order to protect the 2PM members. Protecting them out of love. Well if they had these pictures all along, then they must have known about these issues all this time. They knew about the clubbing, Chansung’s underage drinking, and etc. If they already knew about all of that since the beginning, and were still fans of 2PM, then why is it an issue now? Btw, I have yet to find anything bad about the pictures that have been released. First of all, there’s no confirmation that Chansung is in fact drinking alcohol. Secondly, drinking alcohol is not a big issue. The legal age for drinking is different depending on the country (18 in Korea *19 korean age*). The reason it’s different is because there is NO magical “you can now drink” age. Everyone’s body is different, as long as you drink responsibly, and don’t drive after drinking, then it’s fine. It’s not like by 18 your body is magically capable of drinking alcohol. Not to mention, in Asia, most parents let their kids taste alcohol anyways during celebrations and such. You gotta sit back and think, why is it that underage drinking is bad? Don’t just follow what people tell you blindly.
Then there’s the pictures of the guys with girls at what is rumored to be a club. Really? You’re surprised that 2PM likes girls? Really? Not to mention that I’ve seen more skin contact than that from pictures of 2PM and fans during their fan meetings. Also, you all saw them go into clubs while filming wild bunny, why is it okay then? What’s wrong with going into clubs in the first place? If you like dancing then you would go to a club to dance. That’s common sense. Judging from the fact that 2PM is known to be good dancers, I’m assuming they like to dance. Please enlighten me as to why this is bad.
Finally, the rumors. Some of the rumors are getting kind of ridiculous, and it’s hard to understand why anyone would believe them. They are pretty much all fan accounts, and while fan accounts are always fun to read, they’re not exactly concrete evidence. For example, I can also make up a username and write a fan account about how I was stalking Nichkhun, and then I overheard him talking to Junho about how his favorite pokemon is not Pikachu but Squirtle (that traitor! Pikachu is the cutest!), and that he’s never told anyone about it. Also, my sister’s friend is a journalist, and she is in contact with 2PM’s manager, and he said that Taecyeon is wearing fake teeth because he is actually toothless. So don’t believe JYPE when they try to tell you that it is his real teeth, they’re only deceiving you! See? Anyone can do that. There have been some sites (I won’t name them) that have sprung up to spread these rumors, and they all make it seem like they have some legit sources. But if you read anything they write, you’d realize that it’s just fan fiction. Anyone could write about things that can’t be proven, or that there’s no proof for. I’m not saying that they’re doing this just to jerk the fans around. Well they could be, but they could also truly believe that their sources are legit, even if it’s not. Also, it’s kinda funny when things that they have predicted turned out to be wrong, they just brush it aside and start new rumors. Now I’m not saying that all these rumors are false, I’m just saying that if there’s no real proof why bother with them? Why would you want to believe malicious rumors about people you love without any real concrete evidence other than word of mouth? Do you have that little faith in the ones you love?
Although saying that Hottests have turned against 2PM is a gross exaggeration. Apparently only about 14% of Hottests left the cafe, and I’m assuming there are more that are no longer fans of 2PM, so let’s say 25% have defected from the 2PM fandom. Actually, saying that Hottests have turned against 2PM is also incorrect because those that have turned against 2PM are no longer Hottests. Even still, with 25% gone, that’s still a 75% loyalty. That’s a lot, and I applaud them for standing by 2PM. Chances are they’re never going to get Jay back, why do they need to lose the other 6 members as well? They worked just as hard as Jay to get there. To discard them now as nothing more than trash is a little harsh. I’ll talk more about this in the section about the 2PM members abandoning Jay.
Biased, incorrect translations.
Okay, now let’s talk about the actual conference. Some fans have been complaining that allkpop’s translation of the transcript is incorrect and that it is biased. I have yet to understand that argument. There is even a link to the audio file just in case you don’t believe the translations. You can listen to it yourself and judge whether it’s correct or not. I can assure you that JYPE has no say in the making of that article. I’ll even give you the poopiness guarantee if you’re still unsure. And let me tell you, the poopiness guarantee is a 100% guarantee! Just ask my mom. No wait, don’t ask her, she has a tendency to lie.
Now, if you can’t understand Korean, then how can you even say it’s incorrect in the first place? The best you can do then is to read ALL of the translations, and then decide for yourself using common sense. Also, reading the translations from a 2PM fansite is not going to be unbiased! I don’t understand why people believe it’s going to be unbiased. It’s from a 2PM fansite. Fans are biased by default. That’s not to say that it’s going to be a bad translation, but it’s going to be biased, even if it’s not on purpose. Hell, even the people that actually attended the conference will probably write up biased translations. With the way crowd sneered at 2PM’s response, you can already see the bias. If you came into the event with the mindset of discarding anything the 2PM members or JYPE says that doesn’t match what you wanted them to say, then you’re going to view the event and their answers completely different. All I am trying to say is, instead of discarding certain translations, why not read all the translations to get the complete picture? Don’t you want the complete picture? To understand this madness?
For those that would rather trust fan accounts than the audio recording… why? How does that even make logical sense? An audio recording is just that, a faithful replication of what was said. A fan account is an inherently biased recollection of what happened.
What is up with all these rumors of 2PM being rude to guests at the conference? I’m sure you guys have all read the translations, and have heard the recordings before believing those rumors right? I mean you wouldn’t believe a ridiculous rumor like that when the truth is so easy to access. If you have, where was it that the 2PM members were being rude? I mean I can’t find it. What I did find was that the people asking questions were very rude. Oh you mean the rude things that 2PM did such as giving the fans the eyes, and flipping them the middle fingers and all that junk? You mean all that stuff that can’t be proven since there’s no pictures or videos? All those terrible things that you’ve only read from obviously biased fan accounts? Ohhh okay. 
The members’ decision to “abandon” Jay.
However, let’s take things one step at a time. I’ll talk a little about the now infamous conference because most of the hate toward 2PM seems to be a result of this conference. People seem to be hating on 2PM because they have “abandoned” Jay, their friend, their leader, their brother. Although, saying that they abandoned him is a little harsh I think. Sure, they made the decision as a group to let him go, but then how much of that decision was really theirs? The last time I checked, artists don’t control their company, it’s the company that controls the artists. Now that’s not to put the blame on JYPE, I’m just saying that it was a collective decision, not purely one made by 2PM members. Also, I’m not really sure 2PM members would have the power to reverse the decision if JYPE wants to let Jay go anyway. I mean if this whole 2nd controversy about Jay doing something that unforgivable is true, advertisers would pull 2PM from their products instantly. Possibly TV programs will also remove 2PM from their schedules. There might even be more hate toward 2PM from the public then there is now. Not to mention, there might not even be a 2PM. JYPE have invested a lot of time and money into 2PM, and so they will expect a return. If 2PM can’t bring in money, and JYPE is not making a profit, then there likely won’t be a 2PM anymore. There would be absolutely no logical reason for JYPE to keep 2PM if they can’t profit from them. It’s not that they’re evil or anything, it’s just common sense. They’re a business, not a charity.
Now let’s switch gears and also try to put yourself in 2PM’s shoes. You are one of the six members who have worked tirelessly to get to where you are today. You have endured, overcome and achieved the impossible in your quest to fulfill your dream. Your family have given up everything in order for you to become a singer, for there to be a 2PM. Your family is proud of you, proud of your achievements, and proud that you are in one of the top boy group in Korea. Now would YOU be able to fight JYPE and demand that Jay remains? Fight what seems to be a losing battle anyway? Would you be able to let your parents down? Risk losing your dream? Throw away all the hard work you’ve put in just to get there? Throw away everything your parents have sacrificed for you in order for you to get there? Throw away the love and support fans have given you, all the encouragements pushing you forward when you wanted to give up? Now keep in mind that this is not a solo decision, so that means the other members of 2PM would have to agree to keep Jay as well. Now, would you be able to bring yourself to convince the other members to follow you into what seems like a futile effort? To fight JYPE and risk losing everything? Effectively, would you be able to bring yourself to ask the other members to give up their dreams, to disappoint their families and to disappoint their fans? Moreover, would you be able to throw away everything Jay has done for you? Jay left so that he could save 2PM, so that 2PM would not be dragged down by his controversy. If you, as a member of 2PM, refused to go on as 2PM without Jay, then are you not effectively causing the downfall of 2PM? Something that Jay left Korea to protect? Would you be able to do that as a member of 2PM?
The mysterious 2nd controversy
To be honest, I’m suuuuuuupper curious about it. JYPE is such a tease! Although, all these people that are trying to get JYPE or 2PM to reveal Jay’s mistake, and claiming to do it in order to protect Jay seems to forget what Jay really wants. I’m sure that Jay doesn’t want a mistake that he voluntarily leaves 2PM for to be revealed. Also, regarding the argument that the rumors surrounding the mistake is even worse than the actual mistake, I don’t think so. Why? Because as long as they’re rumors, you can deny ALL rumors and disregard them as nothing but rumors. However, if the mistake is revealed, sure you can deny all those other rumors, but now you are stuck with one rumor that you can’t deny. Being able to deny all rumors seems like a better deal than being able to deny all but one rumor to me. So really, the more you pursue the mistake, the more you can potentially harm Jay.
Whether Jay actually did anything terrible like it has been said, I don’t know. I doubt anyone besides JYPE and the party involved really knows either. Anyone that tells you that they know what he did, or they know that he did nothing is probably bull shitting you. I’m pretty sure they don’t know jack either, just look at their sources. It’s always, I know someone in JYPE or someone that knows Jay that said blah blah blah, or my sources tell me blah blah blah. I mean unless they got a video or a picture or something, it’s going to be hard to believe their words.
Wow that was a ridiculously long blog. I never even meant for it to be this long, took away all my free time typing this up. And to think I was also going to blog about G-Dragon’s controversy… I must be crazy.
holy shizz this was long ._.
but i read the whole thing! haha i’m proud of myself :]
so uh this might be a rant in itself. because i’ve been frustrated D:
anyway. i completely agree with you. it’s like, what’s the point of being an anti, it kind of means that you were only there for jay in the first place? you can’t say “OMG I LOVE TAECYEON” and then, when this news come out, turn around and say, “OMG HE IS A TRAITOR I HATE HIM GRRR” because it just doesn’t work that way! honestly? fan accounts are SHIZZ. yea, okay, some of them can be accurate, but i highly doubt that they’re true!
i could make one up right now. “so like the other day i saw like taecyeon talking with like wooyoung and they were like totallyyyyy dissing jype, it made me laugh like soooo much.” <—lolfail.
what i really hate are those people who just turned anti, like ripping up their posters, burning their cds, etc. i get the sticky notes, because eff yes that's a nice gesture, but what's the point in destroying merch? at least sell it (then you're taking profit away from jype, and you'll be stickin' it to the man! well, jyp, anyway). and then get more stuff, haha :]
people fail to see this from 2PM's perspective. which makes me pity 2PM even more.
if you really don't want to support 2PM, pleasepleasepleasepleasePLEASE do NOT go become a fan of AOM. i loathe those people. do NOT go to AOM and say, "OMG JAY WE LOVE YOU" because they do not freakin' deserve that. they've worked hard to get where they are and they are AMAZING at what they do — they don't deserve to have disgruntled kpop fans running to them just because of jay. i mean, yes, of course, jay is a great dancer and a singer and you love him to death, but don't just be there for him. support everyone else, too — every single one of them. if you're just gonna be there for jay, just go away. now. don't even think about becoming a fan of AOM because the only one you'll support is jay. if you're gonna go to AOM, support all of them. seriously.
gack. sorry for clogging up your comment wall D:
but uh … yea … it had to be said.
I worship you.
Ok… Not really. But your common sense amazes me…
It’s such a rarity in society these days! It’s a diamond in the rough.
Like a vegetarian eating meat. (Does that work?) Like… Moltres throwing a pool party!
You get it… ^^
Also… Squirtle is cuter than Pikachu. Pikachu is SO overrated now. Duh~
XD Sorry for cutting that short. But I COMPLETELY agree about the AOM thing… They’re a talented crew with some pretty awesome guys! >< I really hate to see them bombarded by fake fans who are only there for Jay. It's unfair for them to be dragged into this…
Yea, the burning of the albums and posters is such a waste! My sister would kill for a Nichkhun poster! If they really don’t want it, they should send all their 2PM stuff to me. I’ll have enough birthday, x-mas presents etc for my sister for like the next 5 years. They could sell it to, and make money, but why do that when you can send it to poopiness for freeeeee? FREE! I won’t even charge you! Promise. Poopiness guarantee!
Don’t worry about clogging up my comments. Clogged up is how I like it! :]
I will kill you for calling Pikachu overrated
arghh yea it just frustrates me. a bunch of fans are now like “OMG I’M GONNA GO SUPPORT AOM BECAUSE OF JAY” and it’s like no they don’t deserve your fake support. if you wanna support them, support ‘em all (haha pokemon ahhh weird). asdjklf i hateee those people.
ahhh seriously!
like if you don’t want it … i do :] haha. i would, personally, die of happiness because i still support 2PM :]
and also … who says you can’t support both? (if you support all of AOM, that is. if not, just gtfo.)
you’re totally right. the whole hatred thing is ridiculous. http://www.soompi.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=332255 just and fyi to everyone, that person is obviously and ANTI. Netizens, you are too harsh.
I very much enjoyed reading this as it offers a different view that I agree with. Although more of a rant, I like the points brought up that turns down and nullifies pretty much what people use to make their false stands.
I thank you SO MUCH for this. It’s nice to see someone with common sense out there. When it was announced that Jay wasn’t coming back I think a LOT of people had their common sense fly out the window. >.>
And you should TOTALLY be a crazy mofo and do a post on GD’s controversy, too haha. xD
I’d love to see your thoughts on that one, as well.
Also, YOU = AWESOME
Kthxbai.
I actually pretty much agree with everything you said. I actually co-admin the local fanclub of 2PM here and a lot of times we were labelled as anti-Jay because we still choose to support the other 6. I dont get what the fuck 6PM is (but I do use the term sometimes for easier rebuttals haha), because for me 2PM is still 7 members, Jay just happens to be not there physically hehe XD I support them individually and as a group.
Ive been to some anti-’6PM’s site and she was answering questions and she said that the reason theyre dishing out the other dirt of the other 6 is because they want to prove that the other 6 members life is dirtier than Jays. I seriously dont get their point. I feel like dragging the other members down wouldnt do any good and most of all it wouldnt bring Jay back either. i dont think jay will be happy nor proud when he finds out what the ‘fans’ are doing. i cant believe these are the people who live by ‘love and respect’ when they obviously contradict what they preach.
The other 6–they have dreams and they have their own lives as well. They have families to support. Other fans are requesting the company to just disband, since 2PM is not the same anyways without Jay. I remember my Philo professor saying for all, its difficult to put yourself in someones position and think from their POV cuz in the end, you are still not them and you will never know their feelings and how they address the situation. (Was that confusing or what haha I dont think I was able to explain it well). But yeah I still tried to think what ill do if i were in their shoes. I love Jay so much really, but really i wouldnt just quit my job(as a 2PM member) because of what happened to Jay. Like from the POV of the other members, ever since I was what 12 or 13 years old, I was training already and I havent lived a normal life like the rest of the ‘normal’ kids because I was preparing for my future as an artist. I think it is unfair for people to judge the other 6 just because they are trying to protect their dreams and the people (themselves, their friends and families) who are gona be most affected by that kind of unwise decision.
Btw I listened to the audio while comparing it to the 3 translations/translation snippets that I have on hand. I am happy that my guess on who has the biased trans is correct hehe but yeah I am still waiting for the translations of the Korean hottests from 2PM Underground.
Thanks for thinking rationally^^;; i love you poop really
Phew!! for a minute there, i thought i was going crazy but then i read someting, based in reality, coherent, and not written by an adolescent, it makes me feel so much better. I like Jaebeom, A LOT but i still don’t understand the pedestal that some people have put him on, as if he created 2PM, discovered the other boys, wrote and sang all the songs, did all the choreo, designed and sewed all their clothes…fed, burped, bathed, and put the six of them to bed, every night. There is a level of immaturity, entitlement, and hypocrisy that has run amuck in all of Kpop fandom, but this takes the cake. At the end of the day, do these new found 2PM antis honestly believe, that Park Jaebeom is brimming with pride over how people are behaving, on his behalf? If anything, i have a feeling it might be making him feel a whole lot worse.
NewsFlash: The sudden interest, and stampede over to AOM, like a bunch of sheep doesn’t make you look any better, it’s actually quite sad & the fans and those who live and love the bboying lifestyle, are not going to welcoming you, with open arms.
Seriously, I love your blogs.
And I agree 100%.
I also love how you can make a serious blog funny. Just those random sentences.
And I support AOM, because they are just awesome. Not JUST because of Jay, but he did help me get into them. I love all the members of the crew because they are just amazingly talented. I am a bit Hiep[Da Tightest] biased though. I don’t like the fans who just comment on Jay either. Its like, there are other crew members too.
By the way.. I think Charmander is cuter than both Pikachu and Squirtle. I mean, how can you not find that little fire on his tail adorable?
I like your post. It’s time someone sad something. I would’ve I’m kinda lazy to do so. Haha.
but i’t be even better if fans and anti-fans just drop the topic all together. It’s getting old.
i love you poopiness (: i agree with everything in this article.
seriously, my thoughts exactly!!!
i wanted to rant about the same thing that was described here. why would you want 6 guys to give up their dreams that they’ve spent pursuing all their lives? it’s idiocracy to find their so-called “fans” automatically shift gears and go anti. were these people fans of 2PM at all, or only fans with one person (JAY)? to go thrashing around and start spreading all these pictures of the other members because they couldn’t “protect” JAY. i also definitely agree with how most of these rumors are started, granted most of them come true, they are still rumors at best. and it’s news to me that these JAY fans are shifting gears and supporting AOM just because he’s in it. AOM is a bboy crew, and although the bboy is welcoming, they do not want fangirls screaming during a battle over one person. AOM is like 2PM, like a family: don’t support just one, support them all.
people just need some common sense, cause it ain’t so common anymore.
ps: it’s all about ditto fools, can become any cute ass pokemon it wants!!!
That was a VERY long read..
but eventually i managed to read them all lol
I agree with all you said
Your point of view is diff with other people’s thoughts
and yeah what’s with these all antis thingy
They said they’re Hottest, but it’s more likely that they’re being more concern about Jay’s matters than the whole group’s
ah come on, just stop it already
lets support the boys so they can continue their activities normally ;__;
about the pikachu… ok, it’s just weird coming out of nowhere hahahaha
yeah true ! pikachu is overrated ! lol xD
I love your articles poop !
Oh man, u took the words out of my mouth. I thought I was the only one feeling this way this past few days and feelin’ guilt, pain, and sadness for all of the boys. I dont know but I see Jay and he is fine and dandy. Even his friends says he is ok and rather stay. I dont understand these gossips, rumors or supposed conspiracy. I mean, it happens but damn, give proof. And if this so called underground k-coldest no more then we do, well, shiat, give it up and let us know cus just throwing out fan accounts written on cyberboards dont convince me enuff. No it dont. I am so tired of it. I swear there is a damnn cult going down in Korea. WTF.
That was pretty long. Tho I do agree with what you said. If you’re a true fan you’d protect the artist til the end. It seems like jay had a bigger impact on ppl then the rest of the boys. Regardless of what ppl think they should leave 2pm be. Because they have worked hard to be where they’re at. And btw I hope u don’t do anything for $20 lmao that’s insane!!!
I disagree with u on some stuff but cos u r poopiness, I still love u ahahaha
This is my take poopiness, I’ve read yours :
Fans saw jay old comment in his myspace account. She/he alert JYPe, asking them to delete it and protect jay in case it get leaked out.JYP saw the comment, getting angry because in the comment jay mention things about slave contract which contradict JYP family and fair company image.
He know that the comment will be leaked ut somehow. So before that happened, he design a plan for the company benefit, that is to shift focus to jay “Korean is gay” comment, mistranslated it and hide the slave contract term (notice jay comment about slave contract term are blocked from the first leaked ?, On the back of my mind at the time I ask, “why these area were blocked, what’s the content ?”).
and the plan succeded…
Public opiniomn go to the direction that jyp planned.
Jay soon kicked out of korea for good (he is not planned to comeback at all).Then, fans and general public get to know the real meaning of jay’s words. They were asking JYPE to bring jay back. JYP ignore it and set on an album realese. Fans than plan to boycott the album to push jype. The boycott work to some extend. JYP rethink it again and decide if the boycott went through and the album failed, they’ll bring jay back for the april album.
The 1,59 albums then released, 6PM play to the gallery, being sad and mention jay name everywhere to gain public simpaty.Fans got played, boycott weaken, fandom divided into pro and anti boycott.
The album then declared a success. 6 PM get popular everywhere, got CFs deals, variety show, drama and all. All of them got benefit from jay departure.JYP think they don’t need jay anymore so they decide to drop jay.
On beginning of januari, they tell 6pm this decision. 5PM are more than happy to hear this decision and agree to that (that’s why on vacation, we see all of them are extremelly happy).
Then, they announce it in the end of february with the wrong approach (by step on all over jay the second time). And all hell broke loose.
I think from the very beginning, 5 PM didn’t really care for jay. They dislike jay for ruining their carrier.
As for fans, they are getting all angry because the way 5PM behave on the conference are unexpected and shocking. They show their true color. You just can’t offend your hardcore fans the way they do (90 % fans who attend are antiboycott by the way). After all, they give time and money for you to get to where you are now.
SO fans called it QUIT!!. The staff of the official fans cafe who start the cafe from scratch, the members ( 80000 and counting), even the sasaeng fans who see no wrong of their personal favourite idol at all.
JYP will be using fans anarkis actions to their advantage, twist the story, rub more salt on jay’s wound (spread his another “mistakes” offcourse not directly by jpe) and gain the general public simpaty for 6PM and then 6PM can ride their second wave of fame for another albums, another CFs, Variety shows and dramas.
But the plan got backfired badly because of one loose screw. Fans record the whole conference and all of korea hear it. No plan is as good as god plan I believe.
Where does it go from here ???
Very interesting
And about allkpop’s translation of the transcript, I believe it’ biased in favour of JYPE
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I’ve read allkpop since it was only a humble blog with only johnny dorama and the la methode as it writers so I know what I’m talking about.
At that time, the way they write exactly the way you write now. Full of pervert but funny comments. They talk about dbsk balls, hyory boobs,and ass and what not.
I continue reading because they always praise dbsk and hate bigbang. At that time I was a dbsk fanatic fans and really hate bigbang heheh. Not now though. I like g dragon.
Now allkpop is part of media business, not only a regular blog. And in business, money matter
. Now, the article change in favour of the big players as in usually managements company, sme, jyp, dsp etc represented by delacroix and johnny dorama (mostly, is delacroix johnny dorama alter ego 
?).
That’s way I believe that all k-pop biases as I see in dbsk lawsuit case.
. That’s way the dbsk fandom didn’t fall apart because fans united.
But luckily for the dbsk, there is dnbn run by fans (equal to underground for hottest, not the official cafe that run by sme. They always clarify the issue and they brough so many valid points and proof to contradict allkpop article
That’s my humble opinion
why the 2pm fandom didn’t succeded and got sway everytime? because they are still a young fandom, a year more or less, and easily getting distract at the sign of abs and more abs. But they’ll learn in time ( that’s if 2pm not disbanding in a year or two. let’s see)
i love it when u can’t stop mentioning your mom
interesting, i don’t see the point of boycotting and doing ridiculous thing either. that would do nothing to bring jay back. a part of me is glad that he is now set free, and i pray for his happiness.
in drunken tiger words :
Tommy misconstrued Pamela’s smile, but he certainly did not misconstrue the slap she gave him —word smart—-misconstrue
>> tommy = hottest, pamela = 6pm. It represent what hottest feels now i think
latter he said, ‘time will tell’
>> I definitly agree with this so I’ll sit back and watch as this unfold.
to jay’s supporters :
hating 6pm will do you no good, if you dislike them just ignore them. Don’t comment on their bad or good point and keep supporting jay in your own way..
Good post! I enjoyed reading it. I’m a neutral audience here during the whole Jay-2PM-6PM issue. I want to say something about the clubbing part though. I heard that clubbing is not considered as something good in Korea. It has something to do with cultures or something, so maybe that’s why 2PM went clubbing was so bad. But that’s just what I heard though. I didn’t even hear it from a real genuine Korean. LOL
Anyway, Togepi is the cutest Pokemon EVER! Scratch Pikachu and Squirtle!
Ive started reading AKP not maybe like the first months they started but definitely I caught the part where they just bash Big Bang and all that stuff haha. But regarding ‘articles in favour of the big players’, I dont think so. I think as time passed AKP started to gain more readers, and Johnny and the other guys started writing better (I mean with less balls and boobs and all that) since they wanted to be taken more seriously as well.
Hahaha and Delacroix is not Johnnys alter ego:)) That dude is from Canada haha
hhmm… when i first read the translations from AKP (no im not blaming them, they just wrote what they saw)i REEAAALLY REEEAALLY hated the guys that i thought they better make their album soooo mind blowing (no not that kinda blow.. well.. nakedness.. not a bad idea either.. ANYWAYS)for me to support. cuz i’ve supported “1:59PM” ever since Jay left cuz i didnt wanna loose the rest either. HOWEVER now there are people listening to the conference and writing about it (i dont understand korena >_< ) and im starting to believe those too
and the pictures i saw i was like WTH thats bad? so many koreans (i heard) drink underage, and clubbing.. and doin it.. i mean its their PERSONAL life. sure when yu sign a contract to be a celeb yu kinda throw that away, but w/e i mean i'll be sad that Jaejoong will get married eventually but i will be over it. i mean.. IDK dude.. the "rumors" whether they are right or wrong are soooo believable tho.. but i guess thats what its suppose to be.. i dont know if this Jay thing was real or not but i always had a feeling he wouldNT come back and now its true. ill probably like their songs though i will always hate them (yes, cuz jay WAS awesome and im still hurt by the BIASED writing that said junho said "i hated jeabeom hyung") but w/e.
i just think JYPEnt was stupid enough to reply like this. they culda/shulda just made up some bullshit like: 'he's not returning cuz he feels burdened, or because he's more comfortable at home'
i really wish i knew what he did wrong though.
anyways im really wishy washy on this.. i really miss jay and want him back but i knew he wouldnt come back..
im dissapointed (the biased articles did hurt me.. i cant get over it lol)
but omg, did yu see THE NEW PHOTOSHOOT POOPINESS?? IT WAS SMOKING HOT!!! (do make an article on that? XD or just post up their pics lol)
so i guess its going to be forgiven soon…
but i terribly miss Jaebeom oppa<3 ~
i really wonder what he thinks <3 ~~
“If you have, where was it that the 2PM members were being rude? I mean I can’t find it.” Seriously? http://bumvirus.livejournal.com/6202.html?thread=40506#t40506
I still like you poopiness, one of the few akp writers I actually remember after reading an article. Just confused with all these interpretations.
oh my gawd. this is my first time reading a poopiness blog post..and poopiness…i love you. seriously.
i’ve been wanting to say this all along, but i couldn’t put it into words. thank you. really.
i’m korean, and with the things i’ve been seeing (pics videos etc) ditching all the rumors and all,
they’re not worth it
seriously
i understand and dont care about their private life cause, well, its private
but the things they did to jay and all those pictures,,,
Please list, if you don’t mind…one by one, all the things they did to Jay. Also, if you don’t mind…please show me the proof of all these things. I don’t mean the poorly photoshopped pictures, poorly edited video, or anonymous fan accounts. i’m talking PROOF!! If that happens, maybe if those of us supporting 2PM(and Jay)had some real honest, and concrete proof, we might be able to sympathize with where you’re coming from, but right now all we hear and see is seeminagly intelligent people, who LOVED 2PM, a mere 4 hours earlier in the day on the 27th, blindly repeating the same unproven rumors and outright lies, over and over. it just makes ALL of you look unstable…it puts you in the same DISGUSTING catagory, as the people who were responsible for Jay leaving Korea, in the first place. The same six people who where left behind in Korea, to deal with the mess that they didn’t create, are the same people who worked their asses off in his absence. They’re the same six people, who chose to split any monies earned as 2PM, seven ways. They’re the same six people, that thanked jay every chance they got. Jay isn’t some stranger that they just met off the street, they know him better than any of us, on the outside will ever know, and if you think that they would purposely hurt him, for the little scraps of money they’re making, not to mention the abuse they’re receiving…well, that says more about you, than it does about them. The six of them stood by Jay….until they no longer could, and that needs to be respected. If Jay felt so wronged and so hurt by them, and still wanted to return to Korea…return to 2PM, don’t you think he would have fought harder to return…but from what i see, he’s trying to get on with his life….why are people trying to drag him back somewhere and to something, that he doesn’t want to do? More importanly, if you hate JYP/JYPE so damn much, why do you want him to came back and work for someone you don’t like and you can’t trust? The lack of realistic clear thinking, is beginning to border on the pyschotic. If Jay, is anything but Repulsed and Embarrassed by the things that people have been said, because of him, in honor of him, for him, or dedicated to him, and if he goes much longer in silence, without speaking for himself finally, i’m going to start to question his character…and that will be the saddest thing of all.
okay, so i kinda just skimmed through this but wow! it’s like you took whatever it is in my head abt this whole thing and put it into decent words!
just like you, i dont understand this whole attacking-2PM-till-death thing. i know they’re frustrated, heck tbh i was put off too. but i never think abt ruining their career or life or whatever. in fact, it amuse me how they can think this way, actually….
thank u!
i love this post!!!
the haters should read this ==” it’s sad how theyre tearing 2pm down
Then how you explain this one :
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/02/open-auditions-will-you-be-the-next-k-pop-star
The article stuck (can’t find better word at the moment, not native english speaker) at the top of the firs page in AllKpop. Please read it.
“Eden Entertainment, allkpop, Korea Times Atlanta, MBC, YG Entertainment, SM Entertainment, DSP Media, Nega Network and Jungle Entertainment in Atlanta on March 13th and 14th.”
That’s what I mean by big players. Allkpop getting pro in media business. They bring money(can’t blame them though).
If AKP can work with such companies, what exclude JYP from it? what’s with random WG promotion activites then ? (nobody really talk about them in Korea, except the wonderfuls I think)
I think they also provide servers for new fandoms website (reading it somewhere).(That’s more dollars right there)
Wow, what a coherent, persuasive, argument. What irks me the most, is that some people just don’t realise how hypocritical they are. If, they had been “protecting” the members by withholding “incriminating” photos in the first place, then certainly they knew what manwhores/asses these guys were, yet they continued to support them. Now, they are bashing 2pm for the very behaviour they accepted before? (And having sex and drinking is supposedly “dirty”)Plus, if they had known that 2pm was abusing Khun/Jay, why haven’t they spoken up? Effectively, they have been supporting this behaviour all along, so they have no right to call 2pm out for it.
And you are right about this being a business. Why would anyone give up their dreams for someone else? The boys may be selfish jerks, but if I were in their position, I’d do the same thing. People can’t seem to put themselves in 2pm’s situation and change their paradigms.
Lastly, it’s pretty much impossible to have an unbiased account from anyone and those searching for information are all guilty of confirmation bias. So just because I don’t agree with some ex-fans, doesn’t mean that I can’t have an opinion.
Thanks for stating your opinions so clearly. I wish others would be as rational. And, tbh, I don’t really care about 2pm and its actually fun to see a fandom tear itself apart because of lame ass “fans”. Contradicting myself, I know.
You know, everyone was already angry going into that conference room. You cant deny that. Even the boys. Why dont they have the right to be? What makes you believe they are that angry at Jay for starting this mess? You dont think the boys would want him back knowing so many are supporting Jay again after the hate in Sept? If he was more money, what reason would they not have him comeback? I am sure they are feeling his emotions as well. I know those tears they had at the award shows are not fake. However, if u believe that Jay was betrayed, thats your story. If fans werent so forceful and interrogating down their throat, perhaps things would have gone down smoother too at the conference. Its ok, less k-coldest, they can move out and make room for new real fans.
Right now, my theory is, 1) Jay really dont wanna come back or.. 2) this so called mistake that involved outside people are possibly blackmailing him, so to protect himself and his members, he decides not to come back. Whatever it is Jay, I hope you learn from it. Everyone’s making you feel like you have lost alot but they dont realize is that America is the land of many opportunities. You are still young, make use of it wisely.
Uhhhh they just happen to be a media sponsor for the event? I dont get what youre trying to say really. You may not realize it but lot of kids in the US (and from other parts of the world) want to try out for this Korean auditions, so obviously it would be a hot topic. And usually those hot topics are put at the top of the AKP page for quite a time. Haha honestly some of the reason for it is because its just a part of AKPs new layout.
Come to think of it, when Jays MS incident came up, AKP was kinda on his side. And may I just quote Johnny on this one: “In any regards, Jaebeom has released an official apology, so forgive and forget! ” If AKP was totally backed up JYPe no way on earth theyd put side comments like that on the article itself.
No one might talk about WG in Korea, but theyre making big waves in the US (as well as other countries) right now. And may I just remind you that Allkpop is a INTERNATIONAL site that reports news about KPop. Wouldnt it be just like a given to just report about WG?
Good Read, Poopiness. Another “HIT” Blog, seriously, you’re so talented. I’d trade you for Jaebeom. XD ♥
BTW! If SNSD lost Taeyeon because of “something” she did, I won’t go just like you said. I’d support her, and SNSD! Cause that’s what a true fan is.
25% of the Hottests in their 2PM cafe, is just there for looks. So, basically they don’t deserve to be called fans. They’re “vultures”. They want something at the end. >__> they eat it up, and go back.
The decay of the body is 2PM, and eating it up. and at the end, they just leave. <— I don't know if that makes sense, but I call them VULTURES cause the name's cool, better than Hottest, that's what I think~
Let’s agree to disagree then
I still stand by my opinion after reading all these, but I’m not so good at expressing my thought in english (seldom,almost to never, use it in my daily life) so I’m not gonna explain any further.
Nice sharing poopiness and andy. Tks
Now I’m gonna get me some DBSK musics, and hopefully sometimes in future jay will be back to Korea with a bang!!. He is a multi talented young man. I’s a pity for it to be waste just like that. You’ll always have my back jay
Please read this for further explanation. I agre with these explanation 100%
UNDERGROUND Rep’s letter for international fans :
http://www.2oneday.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16764
I think the explanation on this livejournal also explain my point in a more comprehensive way. Try to divorce your emotions for (or against) the boys and analyze from other perspectives, consider all facets of the situation :
After the conference :
http://bumvirus.livejournal.com/6202.html
Before the Conference :
http://bumvirus.livejournal.com/5895.html
If JYPE doesn’t change the way their management works, I’m sure it’ll happened again in future and I hope you keep in mind these notes.
Never in my live ever I see such a messed up, unprofesional and ruthless company with no coorporate social resposibility at all.
PS.
Try to read all side of point of view before you form your opinion. Don’t depend only on one site. In my case, I read all, AllKpop, Soompi, 2oneday, Insider2PM, Soulbeats, that banana tumbler, everything.
Okay poopy, when you say that hatred amounts to nothing and that the fans should only be feeling disappointment, you’re wrong. I can tell by your nonchalent, happy tone in this blog that you weren’t a huge fan of 2PM in the first place. Now I’m gonna ask you questions. How would you feel if someone you respected and liked got stomped on, backstabbed, and was defenseless? If you were a normal human, you would feel bitter and furious that that person was falsely accused and put down by his fellow brothers.
This is the difference in our opinions- you only remark on the physical, evident things. Fans see deeper poopy- we see emotions, sides, relationships, and identities. It’s too hard for you to possibly understand when you’re so busy defending the rest of the members that worked oh so so hard to reach the top. I’m annoyed and angry at the members that I once thought were innocent, easy going guys. They turned out to be human trash, no more, ne loss.
Feel free to respond.
Actually I’m a huge 2PM fan
. I’ve been a fan ever since their debut, and in fact, Jay is my favorite out of 2PM. So you’re reading this blog the wrong way, and with the wrong mindset.
“If you were a normal human..” Hey….are you saying that I’m not a normal human? Harsh!! Even my mom is not that mean to me!! Especially on the weekends!
Now about Jay being defenseless, stomped on, betrayed, and put down by his fellow members. I don’t think that’s the case. His members have said that they still consider him a good friend, a brother. However, what he did was a mistake. A mistake that although they have forgiven him, the public might not. They have not betrayed him, he’s still like a brother to them, and that’s why they want to protect his secret till the end. That’s the most that they can do for him. Fighting to keep him in 2PM won’t guarantee that the public will forgive his mistake. Now about fighting to keep him in 2PM, I’ve already discussed that in the blog. So I don’t know where you’re getting this putting Jay down business from.
Let’s put it this way. You have a really close friend, and he did something very wrong, and you know in your heart that it was a wrong thing to do. Yet as a good friend, of course you forgive him. But how can you sit there and deny that he did not do wrong? The best you can do is forgive him, and hope that others forgive him too. You cannot sit there and say he did no wrong, because then you would be lying, and now that you have lied, who would believe you when you try to defend him? A good friend isn’t someone that covers up your mistake, but one that forgives your mistakes and help you to not repeat it again.
Btw, how do you know he was falsely accused? I mean I want Jay to be innocent just as much as anyone, but how can you prove that he’s falsely accused? It doesn’t matter if he’s had a clean life. That’s why it’s called a mistake.
Regarding your last paragraph, that’s not the difference in our opinion
. Like I’ve said before, I am a fan, a big fan in fact. So I don’t think it’s too hard for me to understand where fans are coming from. However, the difference might be that you are a former fan, and I am still a fan :].
I’m guessing you are annoyed and angry because you chose to believe the rumors floating around about them. Rumors that are unsubstantiated and only serve to sway the weak of faith. I don’t understand how they turned out to be human trash. If you really want, you can list all the things that make them “human trash” and I can tell you why you’re wrong
Oh and just an FYI, no guy is really innocent
Even your mom isn’t that mean? Aww, then I guess that she’s a pretty nice mom who beats her little son’s ass for acting silly
Moving on, the 2pm members did not ever defend Jay. Sure, they said that Jay is still their hyung (pshhh liars). But right chansung called Jay a thief saying that even thieves have friends. Okay stop right there. So first they say “Yeah Jay is a good hyung even tho he screwed up and he’s a thief/criminal” WTF.
How do you even know that Jay did something really wrong? What if that’s the company’s way of covering up the truth?
They weren’t his friends in the first place, they were always disrespecting him even though Jay was their hyung and leader. Explain their attitudes at the conference. From what we all know, they were rude, unwilling to solve anything, and plain negative. Is this the attitudes of people who forgave someone and still loves them? No. again, if you were normal haha, you’d say no.
I don’t know if he was falsely accused poopy. But there was no horrible crime he could’ve committed during the AA promotions. He couldn’t have raped a girl, that’s too big for the company too hide (more like jail for Jay), he couldn’t killed someone, he didn’t use drugs for reasons that even you know.
If you were a big fan, you’d try to look deeper into the situation. Not just eat everything the media and press feed you. yes, you are right though, I’m a former fan of what used to be 2pm. But I remain an ardent fan of Jay because I admire him.
I sway from rumors? Now you’re the one jumpning to conclusions. I don’t believe rumors, I believe in evidence and trustworthy people. Even if I didn’t, faith is important. Hardcore evidence isn’t all there is to truth- faith is equally as important.
Reasons for 5pm being human trash. Thanks-I wanted you to ask.
1. Wooyoung is a bit** in real life, with a bad personality.
2. Taec and Junho bullied Jay and Khun when they were still 2pm.
3. Junsu was the one who wanted to be the leader after Jay left. he went around boasting that he might become leader.
4. All the members disrespected Jay and never listened to him.
These are going to seem like rumors in your eyes, but these are true in my eyes. Trust me, my eyes see better.
5. The members turned their backs on Jay as soon as he left. They used him to sell their names.
You’re right, Jay isn’t innocent. no one is.
I probably did worse things than what he ever did. Everyone has. Now are you going to tell me why I’m wrong? Lookin forward to it ^^
it make me sick to my stomach that there are people who would and still bash the other member just bcoz Jay is out. if you really are a fan of 2pm, why would u guys bash the other member’s??it’s not fair u know…bout the pics..i agree with u poopi..if the fans really had those pic with them all along, why didnt they bashed the members even they did knew the members are treating Khun and Jay badly. If u watch their show, wild bunny or star idol..they always playing around. just bcoz they told Jay to shut up when jay said something, that doesnt mean they disrespect him..they were playing around and so is Jay. some anti’s might say..their playing nice coz their own tv..but seriously they cant be fake all the time!bout the members betrays jay..come to think of it, they were told jay would comeback in april and they were exited bout it.if they really dont want jay to comeback..they would totaly pissed of. i’ve read somewhere that 2 members of 2pm did fight for Jay sake to stay in band, but when the news bout his ‘mistake’ came out..all the members decided that Jay is not unfit to be in the band..if Khun is really mistreated why would all the members praise Khun so highly..and why would Khun still stays in 2pm???all i want to say, is bout the rumors, u cant really believes those thing..again it was told by the stalkers fan!
@letjkrule
Haha, I remember that part about Chansung’s thief comment, and how the audience were up in arms about it. What you’re doing, and what those outraged fans are doing, is a classic example of twisting someone’s words. That expression was obviously a figure of speech, and so he’s not literally saying that Jaebeom is a thief. And I think you know it too, but you just don’t want to admit it due to the anger you feel toward the remaining members. If you still want to believe that Chansung would call Jaebeom a thief, even though within the context of the conference it doesn’t make any sense at all, is up to you. Think about it. How does it make sense that he would call Jaebeom a thief, which would effectively reveal the secret mistake of Jaebeom to be thievery? A secret that 2PM had sworn to protect? And a secret that the fans still continues to question throughout the conference? If the fans truly believed that Chansung called Jaebeom a thief, then they would’ve already picked up on the fact that the mistake would have to be thievery. Yet they continue to question the members and the staff on just what the secret is. Even the fans at the conference don’t truly seem to believe Chansung called Jaebeom a thief, they’re merely doing this out of anger and for argument sake. Now if you still want to believe that Chansung truly called Jay a thief despite all of that, then I have nothing more to say to you about that.
So because of that above section, no they’re not saying “Yeah Jay is a good hyung even tho he screwed up and he’s a thief/criminal.” This is even worse than twisting words btw, you’re now just putting things together to make them say what you want them to say.
Regarding the “how do I know he did something wrong?” question, I’ve already answered in the blog post that I don’t know. It’s second to last paragraph if you want to read it again.
How do you know they weren’t friends in the first place? How close are you with 2PM? Now I’m not saying that they are or they aren’t, I’m just saying how do you know? I mean I don’t know, and you don’t know, so why are we even arguing about whether they’re friends?
They’re definitely not always disrespecting him, and he’s only their hyung by a few months to a year to 2 years, depending on the member. I mean, the members are all about the same age. Now consider your friends, do you treat your close friends like hyungs and unnies even though they’re a few months older than you? A year older than you? Think of all the close friends you have that are a few months older than you, up to a year. Do you answer politely to them? Treat them as hyungs and unnies? Listen to what they say as if they were hyungs and unnies? No you don’t, it’s because you’re friends. The moment you put up that hyung-unnie-respect barrier, you won’t be able to joke with them the same way you joke with your close friends.
Regarding the attitude of the conference about them being “rude, unwilling to solve anything, and plain negative,” I thought you were talking about the audience and not 2PM hahah. All jokes aside, I’ve already discussed this in the blog, stating that I didn’t think 2PM was being rude. If anything, the audience was rude. Now, I understand that they’re anxious, and they don’t all have mics to make themselves heard and so they have to constantly shout, but interrupting someone who’s trying to answer a question is definitely rude no matter how you look at it. Not to mention, they questioned Chansung’s intelligence after his thief comment, and they did it out loud too, which is obviously rude. The audience seems to again be the one unwilling to solve anything, because no matter what answer 2PM gives, they always sneered and disapproved. I think the answers 2PM gave were very legitimate answers, but the problem is that it’s not the answer the audience wanted. It’s not “Jay will come back in the future,” and it’s not “we’re fighting to keep jay but JYP is forcing our hands.” Btw, regarding your question “Is this the attitudes of people who forgave someone and still loves them,” this has nothing to do with anything. The audience is not Jaebeom. 2PM’s attitude toward the audience doesn’t have anything to do with their attitude toward Jaebeom. They’re separate entities.
Before you go down that road that he must be innocent because he didn’t do this or that, just remember the classic “black swan problem.” If you’re not familiar with it, here’s the basic summary of it. Just because you’ve seen a thousand white swans, and you’ve only ever seen white swans, it doesn’t mean all swans are white. You would be incorrect to make such an assumption. There could be black swans out there, you’ve just never seen them. Therefore it’s incorrect for you to say that there was no horrible crime he could’ve committed during AA promotions because he didn’t rape a girl, kill someone or use drugs. There are many things that he could’ve done that would be considered a horrible mistake. They don’t have to be anywhere as extreme as rape or murder. In fact, I don’t think it’s anything really illegal either, because I’m sure JYPE can’t hide something Jay did from the public if it’s illegal. By law, JYPE would be in a heap of trouble for aiding a criminal activity. I’m thinking it’s more along the lines of something morally wrong, or could be considered morally wrong, such as those anti Korean comments he made, just worse.
I am a fan. Although, I guess I can’t say the same about you, since you’re not longer a fan, but I guess I could say that if you were a true fan before, you would’ve not believed the rumors so easily. And what do you mean by eat up what the media and press feeds me? That conference had NO media or press, it was just 2PM, JYPE and the fans. Although if you call yourself a former fan, it means that you were once a fan, and if you were once a fan, you shouldn’t believe the rumors so easily. That just shows you have very little faith in them, and that you’re not really that much of a fan to begin with. I mean what kind of fan would rather believe malicious rumors about the members from anonymous sources rather than what the members actually have to say themselves? I mean how can call that being a fan? I mean you keep speaking of faith, and how it’s equally important as hardcore evidence, but you don’t seem to have much faith in 2PM.
Now finally the reasons for 2PM being human trash.
- Do you know Wooyoung in real life? Are you close friends with him? How do you know he’s a bitch in real life? Is it from fan accounts? Stalker accounts? Stuff you’ve read somewhere about someone saying they know the Show’s PD or 2PM’s manager and they revealed that wooyoung is a bitch? In other words, rumors? Either way, it does not make him human trash even if he was bitchy, it just makes him human.
- This goes the same for jay and khun being bullied. They’re all rumors, edited clips, things taken out of context and etc. You believe it only because you want to believe it. Show me the evidence if you want to, and I will show you why it’s not evidence. For example, that Jay sleeping by himself thing, it was a screen cap of Hot Blood. That was when he first joined the show, and the Hot Blood group. This was actually prior to 2PM. Also, there’s no proof that he was forced to sleep alone, by the Hot Blood group, not 2PM, but Hot Blood. In addition, he arrived late and as a surprise guest, and so that probably explains his sleeping arrangement. Now if you look closer, you would noticed that only 2 people were using blanket, 3 others (including Jay) slept without blankets.
- All the members? And never? That’s a pretty extreme exaggeration. I’ve already talked about them disrespecting Jay and listening to him and all that stuff above.
- Ahaha, what? They’re rumors in my eyes because they ARE rumors. If, and only if, undeniable proof is presented, then it will become the truth. Until then, it’s going to still BE a rumor. If you CHOOSE to believe that they’re true, then that’s up to your own biased judgment. Although I think you would have a hard time convincing anyone that those rumors are the absolute truth simply because it lacks undeniable evidence. Just think of it this way, all those malicious rumors you believed to be true, would you be able to bet your life, your family’s life and all your priced possessions on it being true? If you truly believe them, then you would have no hesitation, because they’re true anyway right? I mean they’re not rumors, they’re the truth. What is there to hesitate about, I mean you can’t lose with the truth.
- The members definitely didn’t turn their backs on Jay as soon as he left, and in fact a few were actually supporting the boycott. This is actually well known, and I’m sure you know it too since you were a fan. Also, all you said was that the members turned their backs on him as if it was a fact. You didn’t even provide any proof. You’re still arguing based on rumors and how YOU interpreted the events, and not what actually happened. That’s not really grounds for an argument.
All in all, everything you have listed was just based on rumors. That’s exactly why I said that I will tell you why you’re wrong. They are rumors. If you’re saying they’re human trash, based on rumors, then obviously you would be wrong. Now even if all those rumors are true, the things you listed still do not make them human trash, but only make them human. Human trash is if they married a girl, then abused her, and make her work for money so that they can use to gamble and buy alcohol. That’s human trash.
Btw, as you can tell, I took a lot of time in order to write this response to you. That is because I appreciate that you left a comment, expressing your views. I feel that you are misguided, and so I wanted to show you an alternative view. However, if you are going to argue out of stubbornness instead of using a valid argument, I can’t guarantee that I will reply to you. Also, please don’t argue using rumors, unless you have good proof for it. I’m not a skeptic that refused to be convinced, I’m a skeptic that wants to be convinced.
maybe he/she read it & doesn’t really want to waste his/her time replying to you because obviously both of you see it from different Point of View. What’s the point ? Just agree to disagree.
I agree with him/her by the way. Not because of the rumour but because I read all kind of argument and I believe in the one that show maturity, kindness, intelectuallity and and deep insight with just fact presented, then letting me decide by my self.
Please read the underground (jay biggest fans site) official announcement regarding this issue, Jay’s mom words, jay pastor words, chief editor of wnewskorea.com, Proffesional KPop Culture Critics, Korean Reporters whom main money making process not throught KPop Entertaintment reporting and etc.
No one really judge 5PM based on the rumours. All of the fans that take jay’s side right now just want for him to be happy with whatever path he choose in his life and they DON”T want him to get to JYPE and 2PM ever again. That’s all.
As for 2PM, don’t push people to keep liking them. They’ll get enough fans if they continue work hard. I wish them all the best
Yo foo’ ;D i didnt subscribe to you on youtube to write long ass blog posts! JKS JKS (:
Thank you forr opening some peoples eyes. Gahd. Jay is much happier in Seattle with his family and no crazy fans trying to get him to die. So leave the man alone D:< Anyways IMO i thinkk you shouldd put up your Lies parody again. Its my birthday……… (jks its not) but still you should or make a new parodyy.This sounds demanding but you never Fail to make me laugh. Esp in your allkpop articles. Ew I sound stalkerrishh. Wells im out. (; "PAYCE"-Jaebeom LOL.
i’m so glad u wrote this. i was computerless for like 2 months (i know wat u were think, how could u manage. but i had my cute pikachu pilow 2 comfort me. PIKACHU ROX!) and my sis calls me up cuz she knows im a big jaebum fan! she told me he was never comin back and i was like wtf! so rite when got my comp, i went straight here. i knew u were gonna post something and i find them a lot funner 2 read! ^_^
so thanx a lot 4 keepin me in the loop, poopy!
Poopy, your response was so fricken long. But I read it cuz of the time you put into typing it, so call me considerate. And because you wrote so much, I don’t even know how to respond. I’ll just pick randomly
Okay so yes Jay is a little older than the members. Disrespect and joking around with your friends is different. Of course you joke around with your hyung or friend but you don’t disrespect them and call them by their name rudely. Out of manners you don’t trashtalk them either which is exactly what the members did. The members could’ve said something along the lines of “Sorry, Jay wants to take a break from all this so he won’t come back or Jay is in a situation where its not possible for him to come back” rather than “Jay did something so horrible that we can’t say so he can’t come back. It’s too sinful to say. If we said it, fans would be really angry.”
You keep saying how I have no evidence and that I believe in rumors, rumors, rumors. To that, I already answered it in my previous comment. I don’t know 2pm cuz I don’t stalk them so I can’t show you clips and pictures and audios. And I don’t know what Jay did. However, various people accounts as PinkAafra mentioned such as letters from Jay’s pastor, mom, staff, editors show that Jay is not a criminal who could’ve committed a terrible crime. Their honest tone and words tell me that Jay was wronged far more than what he only should’ve been convicted of in the first place- the myspace comment. Now these arn’t rumors, they are real evidence.
“However, if you are going to argue out of stubbornness instead of using a valid argument, I can’t guarantee that I will reply to you.” Poopy, my mouth dropped open when you said this. I’m not the one arguing out of stubbornness, if anyone, it may be you. I trust in Jay and I hope he does well whereever he is in Seattle or whatever, because he is a hardworking, passionate guy. I want him to move on, but I still won’t forgive 2pm. I’m sure they don’t care for my forgiveness, but this is for morality’s sake.
When you post a new blog, you can expect me to reply again. I hope the next time won’t be this controversial and delicate. It’s time for your bubble bath now, for you to cool down and take a break from being mr. smarty pants, kay Poopy? <3
Well, lots of the other commenters summed it up, but I agree with you on everything but the Pikachu/Squirtle comment. In fact, it’s but of course Charmander that is the cutest.
Exactly !! moreso for the last paragraph..sorry poopi.
Would you care reading this one :
http://www.2oneday.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t17206.html
It fit the whole situation perfectly.
Okay they could be real evidence and all that shiz, but you forget one thing. The can also be lies. That’s just being gullible. Of course a mom would say something nice to her son and all that other stuff. The only way we’ll know the truth is if someone kidnaps Jay, hooks him up to a lie detector, and ask him the questions you are all making assumptions from, yourselves.
And letjkrule, I think poopy deserves a way better response than that. He wrote you a friggen research paper for you. It’s like poppys building a brick wall with dedication and time, and all you do is climb over it, and have him repeat the same process
You also wrote “I don’t know if he was falsely accused poopy. But there was no horrible crime he could’ve committed during the AA promotions.” Key word “I don’t know.” You’ve said those 3 words a couple of times, even more than poopy did for all that matters. Again, how would you know?!? Because his mom and other people said that? Like I said, they could be lying. Gosh haven’t you had your parents lie for you once in your life? Ex: “Mom i don’t wanna go to school for just one day. Can you call the school to say im sick? TY i lava you. :]” Overall, you nor poopy know anything truly, so you nor him can say he is/isn’t innocent. No one can. You are like trying so hard to shove the image that jay is innocent down his throat while poopy is giving you another way of viewing the situation, a choice. I’m sorry but btwn you and poopy, you’re the stubborn one. The only solution to this is the kidnapping plan but yeah. We may never know the true answer.
Nice review. I read it all with the comments too. I agreed with all. From the translation, reason and everything. Translation can be biased, even words from family, pastor and friends too.
Poopiness, I love your common sense. At least you’re one of the people that still has some left in them. We should never believe anything until there’s proof. Unless you see it with your own eyes, then it hasn’t happened. People just really took things way too far with all of this. Let’s just continue to support 2PM. And Jay’s happy in Seattle, so perhaps it was for the best.
finally some sanity amoung this crazy-ness.
i agree, the antis completey forgot that the other 6 memebers worked just as hard as jay to get where they are now. and they are just throwing everything down the drain. besides jay lefted to protect 2pm, and these “jay fans” are harming 2pm. so their actually going against jay too.
and those 2pm fans that lefted. so just call themselves JAYFANS cause thats all they were in the begining.
and there’s no need to blog about gdragons controversy.
he’s free of charge, i’m so proud of my kwonleader.
anyways, BIG BANG HWAITING. 2PM HWAITING. JAY HWAITING.
“I mean if this whole 2nd controversy about Jay doing something that unforgivable is true, advertisers would pull 2PM from their products instantly. Possibly TV programs will also remove 2PM from their schedules. There might even be more hate toward 2PM from the public then there is now. Not to mention, there might not even be a 2PM.”
I stop reading after this part. Because you need to get your factS straight before you can persuade others. In the conference, the 2pm boys said that if the fans ever find out what Jay did, we as fans would hate Jay. The boys did not say anything about the fan would hate 2pm, just Jay.
well said
i dont belive fan accounts , i dont belive any transelated statements or articles , i dont care about what they said or act .
IT’s just me & 2pm <3 i love those 6 so much <3
seriously ppl , they are entertainers , who cares ?!!
hey, although I’ve got TESTS tmr, but I was so depressed when I heard from my friend this morning that Khunnie and the rest of 2PM went clubbing and have sex with girls!! so I came online to search for the RIDICULOUS article and chanced upon your post, I AGREE WITH YOU! I was too depressed to think so much when I heard that Khunnie did that
but thanks! YOU BRIGHTENED MY DAY!
but anyway, was there any article on 2PM having sex? My friend’s korean friend told her that she saw it on a korean website the day before. I HOPE ITS NOT TRUE!!!
): spent a long time reading / scanning a lot of comments and reading this blogg
should’ve been cleaning my room -__-” now my mom is gonna kick my ass =/
anyways, i agree with you poopiness ^__^” i love your common sense and sense of humour (:
the way i see it is, at the end of the day, fans have to remember that 2pm are artistes. They are singers. Fans should like them because of their music, not because of what they do or say. Of course, it could be hard to still respect them or like them after you think they are backstabbers (i do not believe they are, but i dont want to argue with anyone on that. you believe what you want to believe.), but if you’re going to boycott on all their music, products and whatnot, then really you’re not supporting them for the right reason to begin with.2pm trained for such a long time, with their sweat, tears, blood, to finally be able to combine all their talents together to create such amazing music. If fans are willing to give up on their music because of this, its completely their lost.Too many fans are putting their own personal feelings into this. There are a lot of fans out there that LOVE 2pm in a way that goes beyond what a fan should feel. Its ok to feel the need to defend something you like, but realise that these are people that dont know you, and you shouldn’t feel completely attached to this issue as if you are directly involved. Everybody in this situation is a victim. Jay is a victim. 2pm is a victim. JYP is a victim. Fans are a victim. Nobody has absolutely profited from this situation, everybody lost.
So lets just all be losers together (:
goooo pikachu ! ^__^”
support AOM (: ALL of them are AMAZING dancers.
Well, this is pretty much what I think too. Anti-2PM movement, the boycott. Those things won’t work. And it has shown that it didn’t work! (: They still have fanbases that are supportive of them.
They still have US! ;D
Love your common sense and the way you wrote it all out. I would have loved to express myself like this but I didn’t. >.> Didn’t have the guts + the language skills to write out what I’m thinking exactly. /salutes
HEY. I think Pikachu is cute. It was the reason why I started to watch Pokemon when I was younger.
Wow, you just took the words out of my mouth. Yeah, I agree that the whole “Coldest” thing is pretty whack. I mean, 2PM is still 2PM even with six members (although, I still believe in seven). It’s not right for fans just to convert because one person broke off.
Even my friend who LOVED 2PM gave up on them because Jay left. Needless to say, I was pretty disappointed. ): I mean, we can’t just think about ourselves. (No, I’m not going into that organism speech. -___-) If you look to the side, you can see six other talents on the stage. And with all the effort and sweat they put into getting this far, they don’t deserve to be treated this way.
I’m just saying. Love & Respect, right ? Just because you love something, it doesn’t mean you have to hate something else. If you like Jaebeom, you can support 2PM too (it’s not that hard). And if you don’t like 2PM, then simply don’t listen to their music; don’t watch their videos; don’t comment on their minihompy’s. And it’s wrong if you watch AOM only because of Jay – that’s false-loyalty. Those guys also worked hard to gain their reputation.
Thank you, Poopiness, for writing this. There’s finally someone that has the same view as I do. And yes, Pikachu is adorable haha. (;
yes, i agree with letjkrule and pinkAafra…
you can not persuade people to liking them again. they have enough fanbase to keep going, and they also gathering new fans, so for people (like me) who decide to leave the fancafe, that will be their choice.
first, i’m really sorry if my english confused you guys, becoz this is not my first language so, it’s sooo hard for me to share my oppinion with english (grrrr…..)
so, here is the thing, YES WE DONT KNOW what’s the 6 boys real personality becoz we dont live in their mind and we are not one of their family, we are not sasaeng, and we are not stalk them and so on.
but, before the conference, we live in beliefs that THE BOYS, ALL OF THEM MISS JAY BADLY!! you can see that from many news (not fan account), from fan cam, and many more. all of the proves showed how 6pm boys really really miss jay, keep shouting his name, keep crying, and bla bla. that’s why there is something called pro boycott. if you think that pro boycotters is not 2pm fans, but jay personal fans, that’s your first mistake. pro boycotters fight with belief that 6boys need jay, miss him, want him back, crazy without him, and cant do anything because of the company. the want to help the boys, they believe that the boys need help and fans are the only one who can REUNITE them again so that they can live happily ever after. if we see 6pm boys face that day, what can we see? first sad, second desperate, third tired, fourth hopeless and bla bla bla. and when we saw that face on tv, what did we think? do we think that they miss their mom? their family? break up with girlfriend? NO BIG NO!!! we though about JAY!!! agree??? we though about how desperate the boys are, how sad they are. even every single movement that they did, we always related that with jay. why?? becoz we believe with their brotherhood!!! something that we really really proud of. agree???
when they smile, we believe that they sad, when they laugh, we believe that they cry inside, when they said 2pm!! we believe that they count jay in, we believe that THEY WANT JAY BACK!! okay, who doesnt agree??
before the conference, fans DID NOT ANGRY. but, they have a BIG FIGHTING SPIRIT TOWARD JYPE. in their mind, jype is the real enemy. you have to remember what was th fans intention when they came to the conference. did they want to dish 6pm? no. did they want to scream 6pm? no. did they want to bash 6pm? no. did they want to go to fan meeting? absolutely no. if you can see, they have a very big spirit to fight with JYPE!!! THEY didnt want to loose, they WANT TO HELP THE BOYS. because they believe that the boys had been used unfairly by the company. and theboys cant help themselves, so they need fan power.
and can you imagine, how fans feeling after they clearly heard that THE BOYS, THEMSELVES, AGREE THAT JAY PARK, WAS NO LONGER FIT IN THE GROUP/CANT BE IN 2PM ANYMORE (correct my statement please).
it wasnt the company, the only one who said it. it was the boys also. even the opening of the conference is not bad enough, the statements after statements after that were also a big shocked for fans. remember, the came to help the boys, in fact the boys turned their back. it’s like this : you are in a very special relationship with someone, you really love, and you though love you too. and he told you story about how bad his step mother is, how he being bullied everyday, and how sad he is. and you are willing to help him. you hate his step mother so much, and want to protect your boyfriend. when you come to his house, you believe that your boyfriend need your help, and you’ll fight for him. you and your boyfriend are in the same side, while his cruel ugly step mother is on the other side. you already spend your precious time just to go defend him and fight for help him to get his human right back. but when you arrive at his house, you suddenly feel shocked because his step mother said that your boyfriend already on her side. and when you confirm to your boyfriend, he also said that he’s no longer on your side, saying apology, and hope that you will still support and love him. i mean, wth???
didnt you feel played??? first you came to the conference with a huge belief that jype is your only enemy, and suddenly when you came out of the conference you realize that the boys now also your enemy. wth??? they should thank the fans didnt throw their shoes on them. and said that jay has moral issue??? they should worry about their morality first!! and how they disrespect fans, with saying that why didnt fans shield their idol?? i mean, wth??? fans didnt shield them?? that’s why many sasaeng account and many more account came after that. they talking abput shield?? this is what fans been doing for so long, protecting them. honestly, fans (who angry and disappoint) dont really care about their personal life, yes because they are human. it’s so okay for them to have scandal, go to club, drunk sometimes, at least for me, that’s OKAY! but saying jay’s morality issue (personal mistake) that cannot be forgiven as an excuse??? hellllooooo…. have you checked your personal mistake first??? and saying fans didnt shield jay??? that’s really upseting!!!
do you think, why all of the people who came to the conference feel soooo angry towards the boys. okay, dont believe with fan account, dont believe with translated conference. but why fans become angry??? people who went to the conference become angry poppy!!! do you think they are only jay fans?? only pro boycotters??? even fans who supposed to be anti boycotters, who is extremely guilty to hurt the boys felt the most pain after the conference. and for people who judge them as traitors idol??? i dont blame them.
as if you know shit, as if most international fans know more than the very people that have been supporting the boys from day 1, behind the scenes.. the people that sat in the streets in below negative weather, withstanding all of the rude stares, the people that danced in the streets, the people that donated thousands and thousands of dollars for charity causes…
taken from someone .
I so enjoyed reading this blog. Stupid me read it backwards. …yeah. But love love loved it! You’re my favorite akp writer. ;D And after reading comments, how cool is it that you’re a big 2PM fan?
I’ve read on 2OD not too long ago on an article some journalist or something wrote that those who turned anti were those who truly cared for 2PM, those who REALLY loved them. And I just thought to myself, “I’m not a true fan? I didn’t truly love them? I didn’t do my best to support them?” Well I’m sorry for not living in Korea and everything, not attending their shows and dancing, I really am. If I could, darn right I would! But I can’t… so what y’all want me to do?! Move to Korea? -__- nty.
But you know what,
I gots me a Time For Change Poster & their lovely 1:59 Album! Im going to try and support them a little more now, though.
This so damn much.
:’)
I should be too tired to read blinded minded poeple’s opinions already.
Okay so here is my point :
That is simple.
They humiliated him in front of his fans assuming many times that his life is dirty. They were OBVIOUSLY trying to kill his career. “You fans would have hated him… He should stay as a simple citizen..”
And obviously seeing what’s going on Jay’s side, that’s not what he wants so they were trying to kill his career, rite.
He has never humiliated them in front of their own fans, SO that’s not fair, and pretty disrespectful even if he has a dirty life even if blablabla, he has never revealed anything from theirs.
I don’t care if they were told by JYPE, humans are technically free. They can fight against injustice because that should be the most impotant of all, respect humans’ rights.
So if I were in front of them, I would NOT respect them because they DON’T respect others. It may not be what Jay thinks, but this is what I think and I judge poeple by their acts because that’s what define them and everyone. Even if those bastards didn’t reveal what they do behind the curtains, I’ll judge them by their public acts because at the end of the day, this is the result.
I think you are the first and last blinded minded fan I’m going to answer x).
#67, annnsow,
No, they’ve already said they’re protecting him, because 2PM and JYPE believe that if they reveal it they don’t think fans will like it. The only reason why they said that was to clear up on WHY Jay isn’t coming.
And who are you to judge if Jay’s life was dirty or not? Do you know him? Do you know what he did? No, right? And how do you know that’s nor what Jay wants? Have you asked him?
Yeah I don’t know either myself, but I’m not assuming anything. How did they not respect others?
seems like your just denying yourself in some facts…
They do not respect others because they did not respect Jay.
LOL.
Protect him???
Sorry but… Are you kidding me? I mean seriously, you should ask some koreans penpals they will tell you by what happened after they have said he had a “dirty life”… Netizens searched the FACTS about his PERSONAL LIFE and spread rumors about it.
How did they protect him?
Seriously?
They dirtied his name, destroyed his dignity.
Stop saying that they were “good boys that wanted to protect him” LOL -___-’ they could have NOT saying why they terminated his contract but just announced that he won’t come back at all and there will have no hope. They could have lied. But no, they decided to do that NOT because they wanted to be sincere BUT because they wanted the fans to stop fight for him and to move on, AND obviously to stop his career because as a company that knows how much the popularity of a celebrity is important especially in KOREA, they perfectly know that if they dirty his name more even if the fans worked during 6 months for cleaning his name up, he could never come back in KOREA. (that’s why I will NEVER blmae the fans for hating them! you can’t even imagine how they worked so hard to clear his name up for the korean mass public, and everything is destroyed in 3 days!)
This is called DIFAMATORY and this does NOT respect human’s rights.
No I don’t know Jay, I was talking as if I thought the “dirty life” was real to be clearer, but I don’t believe it.
I said “it may not be what Jay thinks” because obviously he wants his fans to stop hating 2PM, he said he loves thems while I hate them.
i KNEW taec’s teeth weren’t real!! see, i had this theory ever since he first smiled on camera & no one would believe me…
poopiness is awesome! everyone, let’s try to love.
Lol..
I don’t care about them
jay can die.. he’s in the news too much D:
And that was AN EXCELLENT article, poopy!!
Also, your answers are awesome…
god, I swear to god, you can be a dictator someday. haha =)
die is harsh.. more like “DISAPPEAR” from Kpop at all.
PIKACHU IS THE CUTEST POKEMON EVER!
oh well, that’s not the thing I wanna to talk about
seriously. I try to not hating jay after this whole controvercy. I knew that people hate 2PM because of this, but in my case, it’s a reverse. I’m starting to blaming jay for this whole thing. but well, after reading your article, I hope I can stop blaming anyone. thanks poopiness! you’re my fav akp writer!
p.s : sorry, but I do not like AOM at all..
Man.. I want to read all of what you guys posted after poopiness. But I’m so lazy. I’ll prob end up doing it though. >_<
My Opinion;
To be perfectly honest, Jay, '6PM', 2PM, W H A T E V E R, I support. I mean seriously, to love them over.. a little over a year time period and hate them in a couple of months. Where's the love, man? Where's the love? Anti's are so… lame. And weird. Just because Jay left, that means they need to bitch about the rest. So if say Wooyoung left, would they do the same? :\
Anyhow, what's done is done. Jay's been eliminated from 2PM. 2PM is about to release a new single. Jay's gonna be in a film. And you know what? I'll be rooting for all of them.
your post seems to suggest that the antis were created for reasons that have been stated by antis themselves as false! it’s not because jay left though im sure there are a few jay fans there in the anti 6pm group… and not because of those sasaeng reports–they were released AFTER they accused jay of a “dirty private life.” so in response these sasaengs released those reports to say “dont throw stones when u cant claim ur life is pure either. i hope no one believes 7 (or all 11) to be pure as the day they were born. it’s because they threw that first smear over jay’s name- that he had a dirty private life that they couldn’t even mention & thus jype/2pm HAD to throw him out of the group.
that conference was a huge shock to many fans that turned them into antis. especially koreans who listened to the conference, korean-americans who listened to the conference, and (most importantly) the fan representatives who attended the actual conference who had to witness their behavior with direct accounts. those of us who only LISTENED to the conference have different interpretations of what they meant to say and how they acted, but we can’t accurately know… the ones who can are the ones who actually attended the conference! and look where they are now.
i’m assuming that SOME of you speak korean and understand the korean etiquette of addressing your elders- 2pm unfortunately failed to do so. considering that these were their own fan representatives from all across (including US), it’s difficult to rationalize why they felt they needed to speak to their own older fans in the disrespectful manner.
with regards their new song releases like “until u” (to jay?) and “dscs” (to fans? really yelling out haters in ur song is not gonna endear you any more to fans who are on the fence)- compare this to jay’s song “clouds” (no grudge to those who “throw dirt on his name” and thanks his fans)… even musically, jay wins this with class.
man u must me a beast at easys and shit that was crazy long man
Wow .. If half of the ex-fans had a brain like yours, there wouldn’t have been so many disasters..
You really hit it with many of your unbiased points of view..
2pm & JYP wouldnt be too stupid to let go of Jay, who was the most popular member at the time… they invested a lot of money in him as well.. Gosh, if people thought of that before they did any of the bashings, 2pm wouldnt have to suffer this long..
hope things cool down.
and I love what you said.. You are truly amazing at persuasive essays
Your common sense is.. WOW (Y) !
I like it . (:
and I’d LOVE IT if you don’t mind blogging about the GD controversies, I think the public NEEDS to know some truth
Please ^^
LOL by the 4th sentence, I was laughing too hard to read ._. But I read the whole thing. Don’t worry about it being too long; it’s all really good and interesting anyways (WRITE ABOUT GD!)
The part that kind of confuses me is how Jay is now active in the entertainment business again, even with what he did wrong. But this is his career and passion, so I wouldn’t expect him to switch to anything else. I guess it’s because if he did something wrong and the 2nd controversy comes out, it will all be on his shoulders instead of 2PM’s.
And Jay did tell 2PM about what happened on the phone, so they’re in communication. What I’ve heard about JYPE (my source for this paragraph being JYPE’s released statements) seems that they all sit down and talk about their decisions before they do anything major. So who knows? Jay could have told them what he wanted or the 2PM members could have discussed their plans and options with him. The 2PM members themselves talk about how they just got a text from Jay or how they texted him last night in interviews and videos. But then again, Jay said he hasn’t met anyone from 2PM in person since he got back to Korea (I’m talking about all some things that happened after you wrote this blog; sorry about that). It’s kind of iffy that he texts them but doesn’t meet them, but I’m not sure I’d want to see anyone person after telling them about the controversy, either. Or he might just be super busy with filming; he’s not in Korea for very many things so they might want to get it over with quickly.
I feel like I’m just contradicting myself -_- I hope this makes sense.
Also, when this whole second controversy thing came out, I was more disappointed and angry with Jay. I felt like he ruined everything. I know that’s not right now, but I think it’s interesting that most fans felt that way towards 2PM instead. And it’s not like I had anything against him in the first place; Jay was my favorite member while he was in 2PM, because he got me into them.
Anyways, my favorite Pokemon is Charmander =3 As much as I like Pikachu, he’s obviously the cutest one.
wow this is amazing, you basically read my mind
like what if jay doesn’t want it to be revealed because it could completely jeopardize his career or 2pm’s (if he stayed with them) but i think that the members were thinking of him and jay was thinking of the members when this decision was made so ultimately they are truly brothers.
Waw .. That was really making sense ! Thx & plz keep such a “long” blog up ..
Thanks for clearing everything up for me =] It makes a lot more sense now! I agree that yes they are humans but seriously, fans need to stop with the hating 2pm because Jay left and your whole world is crumbling down because he VOLUNTARILY left and they should be able to appreciate his decision. I feel pretty ashamed for doubting them because of my own picture of how they would be but as you said they are humans and we’re not perfect. And fans seriously need to find some common sense before they start dirtying 2pm like that, I’m some fans just got lost along the way
Your essay was pretty interesting to read and I wish I had your persuasion skills
I think your blog post makes the most sense out of posts I’ve read about 2PM
Being in my mid-20s, I’ve lost the ability to believe in everything blindly. I see 2 or maybe 3 sides of every story, so blindly loving/hating 2PM is just plain stupid. 2PM is 2PM, they are also human beings. I love them no matter what as I know, I myself makes a lot of mistakes and full of flaws. It doesn’t mean that I’m inherently a bad person (or maybe I am ;P). Anyway, it’s really really funny how if I typed ’2PM’ in any Asian English-speaking forums, most of the threads I see are negative ones. For all the negativity, I wonder how 2PM managed to stay afloat for 3 years now, selling good number of albums and concerts *snickers*. Yes, they are relatively successful still, compared to other idols nowadays. They are getting recognition in Japan, selling steady number of singles, if not fabulous, it’s nice and steady.
So, hating is just a waste of time. Haters don’t make much sense with their so-called ‘fan-accounts’. As for drinking, clubbing, girlfriends and sleeping around, hey almost all Hollywood artists do that and while I won’t say that’s the standard, it’s an ordinary human behaviour. I won’t hold those against them. Until/unless they hit/kill/maim/rape/steal from/abuse/do other illegal/immoral stuff to someone, then I’ll say they are one of the worst dregs of humanity.
i dont care w/ them…